131: Meeting of the Minds (Jeff Goins, David Cutler and Jennifer Rosenfeld)

Meeting of the Minds

Meeting of the minds

Let me tell you how I managed to get Jeff Goins to do an interview on this podcast.

I heard him featured on Entrepreneur on Fire last summer (2017) and was immediately taken by Jeff's candor and breadth of knowledge on the topic of entrepreneurship for artists.

Not to mention his fascinating commentary on the artist Michaelangelo!

I figured that since Jeff was on EOFire, he's probably a pretty busy dude. A guy with a music podcast emailing him saying, "Uh, want to be on my podcast?" probably happens quite often. I knew I had to set myself apart.

So I wrote a blog series based on his book. Each post was a summation of a chapter from Real Artists Don't Starve. I then emailed Jeff and said, "Hey Jeff! I wrote this blog series and turned it into an ebook. Want to be on my podcast?"

He was evidently impressed with the initiative because he put me in touch with his assistant, who in turn scheduled an interview for January 2018.

Due to a miscommunication on my part with his assistant, we had to move the interview to May. (Like I said, Jeff's a busy dude.)

At this point, I put my three heads together and said, "Hey guys, let's do something really different."

So I invited a few friends of mine to be part of the chat: David Cutler, Jennifer Rosenfeld and Jason Heath.

Jason was happy to do it, but unfortunately got called away last minute to sub with the San Francisco Symphony. (Congrats Jason!)

So we had myself, David, Jennifer and Jeff. I think you're going to love what we discussed! (And I think it's fair to say this won't be the last time we have a discussion like this on the podcast.)

Among the many fascinating things we discussed:

How should a musician properly charge (or value) for their work? [3:29]

How working for free - with no end game in sight - shortchanges your fellow musicians, and yourself. And the role of money in relation to our art. [12:05]

What does it mean to "be your own patron?" [25:07]

What about people who say, "If I couldn't play music, I just couldn't live." [38:53]

You mean Michelangelo is more than a teenage mutant ninja turtle? [46:49]

About the author, James Newcomb

I'm a full time MusicPreneur. Every now and then I play music. Send me an email at!

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